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The Louisville Hardcore "Logo" (fig.1) which started being used by many [[Kentucky:Louisville|Louisville]] bands in 2003, dind't quite originate here in town. Some people might be suprised to hear that. Hell, some people may be suprised to hear that those are ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_de_lis fluer-de-lis]'' over the 2 bars, and not banannas. While many people in Louisville may have a great affinity for banannas, as a city, we don't love them that much. The reason for the fluer-de-lis comes from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_de_lis fluer-de-lis] being the city symbol of [[Kentucky:Louisville|Louisville]]. Our city, as were many towns in the area, was named after [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France King Louis The XVI of France]. Over the years, the fleur-de-lis had become a symbol of power in France, and by adopting this symbol, Louisville attempted to pay homage to French royalty in more than just the city name (Louis XVI = the Louis in Louisville. duh.) Furthermore, the ciy of Louisville incorporated 3 fleur de lis into it's flag, hence the 3 fleur de lis on the hardcore logo. | The Louisville Hardcore "Logo" (fig.1) which started being used by many [[Kentucky:Louisville|Louisville]] bands in 2003, dind't quite originate here in town. Some people might be suprised to hear that. Hell, some people may be suprised to hear that those are ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_de_lis fluer-de-lis]'' over the 2 bars, and not banannas. While many people in Louisville may have a great affinity for banannas, as a city, we don't love them that much. The reason for the fluer-de-lis comes from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur_de_lis fluer-de-lis] being the city symbol of [[Kentucky:Louisville|Louisville]]. Our city, as were many towns in the area, was named after [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France King Louis The XVI of France]. Over the years, the fleur-de-lis had become a symbol of power in France, and by adopting this symbol, Louisville attempted to pay homage to French royalty in more than just the city name (Louis XVI = the Louis in Louisville. duh.) Furthermore, the ciy of Louisville incorporated 3 fleur de lis into it's flag (designed by the great Victor Hammer), hence the 3 fleur de lis on the hardcore logo. | ||
[[image:Dc_flag. | [[image:Dc_flag.jpg|left|frame|figure 2]]However, this sign of royalty does not complete why the hardcore kids use the symbol in it's current configuration. After viewing figure 2 and figure 3, it becomes pretty apparent where the layout came from. The "3 stars, 2 bars" logo was placed on the flag of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_D.C. Washington D.C.] after being fashioned to represent the British coat of arms of General Washington's ancestors. Years later, around 1980 to be somewhat more precise, the kids of Washington D.C. (most likely the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown%2C_Washington%2C_D.C. Georgetown] punks - The Teen Idles, Minor Threat, S.O.A, etc...) used the symbol in conjunction with something that they had just made up - [[Lexicon:Straight Edge|Straight Edge]]. By placing the Edge symbol of "X" in place of the stars on their hometown's logo, they created a symbol for all of those straight edge and hardcore kids to claim as their own. This is specifically what the symbol was created for in regards to Louisville. [[Ryan Patterson]] of [[Black Cross]] took the DC hardcore symbol, which has somewhat fallen by the way side and few bands use anymore, and re-molded it into a symbol of pride for the Louisville hardcore kids. | ||
However, this sign of royalty does not complete why the hardcore kids use the symbol in it's current configuration. After viewing figure 2 and figure 3, it becomes pretty apparent where the layout came from. The "3 stars, 2 bars" logo was placed on the flag of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_D.C. Washington D.C.] after being fashioned to represent the British coat of arms of General Washington's ancestors. Years later, around 1980 to be somewhat more precise, the kids of Washington D.C. (most likely the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown%2C_Washington%2C_D.C. Georgetown] punks - The Teen Idles, Minor Threat, S.O.A, etc...) used the symbol in conjunction with something that they had just made up - [[Lexicon:Straight Edge|Straight Edge]]. By placing the Edge symbol of "X" in place of the stars on their hometown's logo, they created a symbol for all of those straight edge and hardcore kids to claim as their own. This is specifically what the symbol was created for in regards to Louisville. [[Ryan Patterson]] of [[Black Cross]] took the DC hardcore symbol, which has somewhat fallen by the way side and few bands use anymore, and re-molded it into a symbol of pride for the Louisville hardcore kids. | [[image:dc_hxc.jpg|left|frame|figure 3]] | ||
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Since the creation of the Louisville version, there have been a few further mutated versions, such as the [[Redhanded]] logo with 2 bars, 2 hands, and a fleur de lis in the middle, or the [[Pocket Bomb]] logo with 2 fleur de lis and a bomb in the middle. | Since the creation of the Louisville version, there have been a few further mutated versions, such as the [[Redhanded]] logo with 2 bars, 2 hands, and a fleur de lis in the middle, or the [[Pocket Bomb]] logo with 2 fleur de lis and a bomb in the middle. | ||
The following was written by Ryan in a post on [[Intial Records]]' message board in response to a kid wondering where "the 3 banannas logo" came from. Maybe it'll make more sense than the rambling above. enjoy. | The following was written by Ryan in a post on [[Intial Records]]' message board in response to a kid wondering where "the 3 banannas logo" came from. Maybe it'll make more sense than the rambling above. enjoy. | ||
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The logo you're asking about is actually three Fleur De Lis emblems. The three fleur de lis are | The logo you're asking about is actually three Fleur De Lis emblems. The three fleur de lis are | ||
the official symbol of the City Of Louisville. The fleur de lis is an emblem used by the kings of | the official symbol of the City Of Louisville. The fleur de lis is an emblem used by the kings of | ||
France, which is why many French settled areas use this - Louisville, St Louis, Louisiana, etc. | France, which is why many French settled areas use this - Louisville, St Louis, Louisiana, etc.<br /><br /> | ||
See also: http://www.heraldica.org/topics/fdl.htm<br /><br /> | |||
See also: http://www.heraldica.org/topics/fdl.htm | |||
We are all greatly influenced by 80s & 90s DC hardcore and the old DC bands changed the DC crest | We are all greatly influenced by 80s & 90s DC hardcore and the old DC bands changed the DC crest | ||
(three stars with three lines under it) into a symbol for hardcore/all ages in DC (three X's with | (three stars with three lines under it) into a symbol for hardcore/all ages in DC (three X's with | ||
three lines below). As a tribute & a logo for Louisville Hardcore, I replaced the X's with Fleur | three lines below). As a tribute & a logo for Louisville Hardcore, I replaced the X's with Fleur | ||
De Lis and that's where the symbol came from... | De Lis and that's where the symbol came from...<br /><br /> | ||
Black Cross used it first by putting it on our first EP and our t-shirts. After that Breather | |||
Resist started putting it on their shirts and records (BR & BC do share a member - Evan Patterson | Resist started putting it on their shirts and records (BR & BC do share a member - Evan Patterson | ||
is in both bands). After that another Louisville band Kodan Armada used it on their shirts, and | is in both bands). After that another Louisville band Kodan Armada used it on their shirts, and | ||
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it might end up being something that represented only our bands or our specific group of friends' | it might end up being something that represented only our bands or our specific group of friends' | ||
bands, but a lot of people have embraced it and I couldn't be happier about it! | bands, but a lot of people have embraced it and I couldn't be happier about it! | ||
Bands that use this imagery: | |||
*[[Ayin]] | |||
*[[Black Cross]] | |||
*[[Breather Resist]] | |||
*[[Coliseum]] | |||
*[[Kodan Armada]] | |||
*[[Lords]] | |||
*[[Redhanded]] | |||
*[[Pocket Bomb]] | |||
*[[Ganthet]] | |||
*[[Morning Belle]] | |||
Latest revision as of 20:21, 3 October 2011
figure1
The Louisville Hardcore "Logo" (fig.1) which started being used by many Louisville bands in 2003, dind't quite originate here in town. Some people might be suprised to hear that. Hell, some people may be suprised to hear that those are fluer-de-lis over the 2 bars, and not banannas. While many people in Louisville may have a great affinity for banannas, as a city, we don't love them that much. The reason for the fluer-de-lis comes from the fluer-de-lis being the city symbol of Louisville. Our city, as were many towns in the area, was named after King Louis The XVI of France. Over the years, the fleur-de-lis had become a symbol of power in France, and by adopting this symbol, Louisville attempted to pay homage to French royalty in more than just the city name (Louis XVI = the Louis in Louisville. duh.) Furthermore, the ciy of Louisville incorporated 3 fleur de lis into it's flag (designed by the great Victor Hammer), hence the 3 fleur de lis on the hardcore logo.
figure 2
However, this sign of royalty does not complete why the hardcore kids use the symbol in it's current configuration. After viewing figure 2 and figure 3, it becomes pretty apparent where the layout came from. The "3 stars, 2 bars" logo was placed on the flag of Washington D.C. after being fashioned to represent the British coat of arms of General Washington's ancestors. Years later, around 1980 to be somewhat more precise, the kids of Washington D.C. (most likely the Georgetown punks - The Teen Idles, Minor Threat, S.O.A, etc...) used the symbol in conjunction with something that they had just made up - Straight Edge. By placing the Edge symbol of "X" in place of the stars on their hometown's logo, they created a symbol for all of those straight edge and hardcore kids to claim as their own. This is specifically what the symbol was created for in regards to Louisville. Ryan Patterson of Black Cross took the DC hardcore symbol, which has somewhat fallen by the way side and few bands use anymore, and re-molded it into a symbol of pride for the Louisville hardcore kids.
figure 3
Since the creation of the Louisville version, there have been a few further mutated versions, such as the Redhanded logo with 2 bars, 2 hands, and a fleur de lis in the middle, or the Pocket Bomb logo with 2 fleur de lis and a bomb in the middle.
The following was written by Ryan in a post on Intial Records' message board in response to a kid wondering where "the 3 banannas logo" came from. Maybe it'll make more sense than the rambling above. enjoy.
The logo you're asking about is actually three Fleur De Lis emblems. The three fleur de lis are the official symbol of the City Of Louisville. The fleur de lis is an emblem used by the kings of France, which is why many French settled areas use this - Louisville, St Louis, Louisiana, etc.
See also: http://www.heraldica.org/topics/fdl.htm
We are all greatly influenced by 80s & 90s DC hardcore and the old DC bands changed the DC crest (three stars with three lines under it) into a symbol for hardcore/all ages in DC (three X's with three lines below). As a tribute & a logo for Louisville Hardcore, I replaced the X's with Fleur De Lis and that's where the symbol came from...
Black Cross used it first by putting it on our first EP and our t-shirts. After that Breather Resist started putting it on their shirts and records (BR & BC do share a member - Evan Patterson is in both bands). After that another Louisville band Kodan Armada used it on their shirts, and since then various Louisville hardcore & punk bands have been using it on their shirts, websites, zines, records, etc. The original idea was simply a little logo to pay tribute to the DC bands that inspired us and give a nod to our hometown of Louisville. Since then it seems to have taken off and be something that has in some way helped to unify at lot of the bands here... I was afraid it might end up being something that represented only our bands or our specific group of friends' bands, but a lot of people have embraced it and I couldn't be happier about it!
Bands that use this imagery: